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#11
Imagine it, 20 years ago, they could just pick a driver from FNippon, nonetheless, sit him in a car and he'd be decent enough. 12 years later they try doing the same with the champion of FNippon and the guy becomes one of the faces of F1 failures. Now, to add to the previous discussion about current F1 being too tactical as opposed to being pure racing, my question is: did F1 really become so hard for newcomers to master and be competitive or did the general quality of drivers nowadays just simply gone down?

Here's what got me thinking about it in the first place:

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2924 ... mika-salo/
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#12
do you mean Ralph Firman jr.?

About the article, it was really interesting, thank you for the link! About Salos decision to let Irvine pass: It was maybe his job, but I'll bet he's biting himself into his ass yet.
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#13
My cases were Salo, the guy who just got drafted by Lotus at the end of 1994 from FNippon nonetheless and Yuji Ide, no testing as well but is a guy some people here would regard as the worst ever (even if I disagree with it and would only brand Yuji unlucky).
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#14
lexieboy Wrote:Prohibiting certain materials doesn't automatically mean lower costs....
In fact see Moto2 and Moto3. Sad There are 15 years old riders with sponsors that can't finish 3 laps in qualifying. :x

Cile Wrote:.... Checo was overtaken by Hülkenberg in a SAUBER, that's just, well, embarrasing.
Last 2 years the Sauber team had good cars, this 2 races McLaren had problems. It should embarrasing if in next gp will be passed by a Williams! About Mercedes I'm not agree because in that way will be another Alonso-Massa and Vettel-Webber 1 decade long soap. Sad Too many times Massa, Rosberg and Webber are and can be faster than their team favourite team mates.
Vettel is learning Alonso's lesson.

I can't consider Phirman one of the worst ever F1 drivers, instead 1 of the better ones: in fact it's the only one who qualified himself rounding! :lol:

I'll be always grateful to Mika Salo! ;D He helped so much the team, so he his World Champion too!

Today I've seen an interview to Patrese telling his obscure years ('84, '85) and about the fact that Ecclestone gave him another chance with a Brabham. It seems not the Bernie I know nowadays. Big Grin
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CECCO#33 Wrote:
Cile Wrote:.... Checo was overtaken by Hülkenberg in a SAUBER, that's just, well, embarrasing.
Last 2 years the Sauber team had good cars,

... considering the fact that James Key had been the Technical Director before heading to Toro Rosso.
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#16
3tec Wrote:
CECCO#33 Wrote:
Cile Wrote:.... Checo was overtaken by Hülkenberg in a SAUBER, that's just, well, embarrasing.
Last 2 years the Sauber team had good cars,

... considering the fact that James Key had been the Technical Director before heading to Toro Rosso.
Of course but I think this year will not so bad, than there is Hulkenberg. In wet conditions he can do some very good race.
About that:
CECCO#33 Wrote:Vettel is learning Alonso's lesson.
I was saying he's learning to cry via radio! Big Grin About the overtake when he passed near the wall it was impressive! Unfortunately Webber deserved a victory and the team called him late to change tires and caused Vettel's payback. Other case was Hamilton - Rosberg 'where' this last was too many faster than the other.

I've also written Phirman instead of Firman.... :oops: perhaps it's due to 7 hours of work to the birdbhouse. Big Grin
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#17
Kovaleinen back in at Caterham!

Caterham F1 Team has announced that it is restructuring its driver line-up with Heikki Kovalainen rejoining the team as one of the two Reserve Drivers, alongside current Reserve Driver Alexander Rossi who moves to Caterham Racing to compete in the 2013 GP2 Championship in the car raced by Ma Qing Hua at the season opening GP2 race in Malaysia.

Ma Qing Hua, who recently made history by becoming the first Chinese racing driver to take part in an F1 race weekend in China, remains a core member of Caterham F1 Team’s driver roster and an announcement about his revised race plans in 2013 will be made in due course.

Heikki’s first duties will be to take part in FP1 at the forthcoming Grands Prix in Bahrain and Spain. The Finnish driver will participate in the sessions as part of a formal technical development role he is taking up with Caterham F1 Team, helping support the introduction of the first performance updates to the 2013 car, an important milestone in the strategy the team are working to in the current season.

Cyril Abiteboul, Team Principal, Caterham F1 Team: “After Ma’s successful run in FP1 in China a number of new opportunities have arisen for him and we have decided to restructure our current line-up. Alexander moves to Caterham Racing to compete in GP2 and I am sure he will be an immediate success in that championship whilst he will continue to enjoy the link with the F1 team throughout the season. Heikki returns to track work with us and we are delighted to welcome him back into the team. He has six years of F1 experience behind him so he is perfectly placed to provide us objective feedback on the various types of configurations we will run and to give us an objective view of the 2013 tyres against his experience with the 2012 compounds. Having invested in Heikki for our first three years of competition it would be a waste not to leverage the valuable expertise he brings. As F1 is a team sport, he will also provide support to Charles Pic and Giedo van der Garde, who are both doing a good job in their first months with the team.”

Heikki Kovalainen: “It’s obviously great news that I’ll be on track in Bahrain and Spain and I’m really looking forward to getting back to work and helping the team as much as I can. I’ll be taking part in the two FP1 sessions in Bahrain and Barcelona to give the team my input on the new parts we’re bringing to those races, and I’ll be working closely with the race drivers and the engineers on track and back at Leafield to help everyone get the most out of the new package.

“Tony, Cyril and I have been talking about me taking up this role for quite a while, so it’s good to finally be able to announce how I’ll be helping the team in 2013. I’m physically ready to get back into the car and I know my experience can help give the team new ideas and options for directions to take on setup and strategy. I’m looking forward to getting back to work!”

Caterham F1 Team

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/caterh...r-line-up/
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#18
Nice to see Heikki back in the business, even though only being a third driver.
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#19
I'm seriously getting sick of Jenson Button. Hats off for how he raced this dog of a McLaren car this season but what irks me is the fact that, when others overtake him, he seemingly puts up no fight but when it's a team-mate of his, he starts "fighting for his life" while at the same time crying into the radio about how aggressive the other guy is. Did it before with Hamilton and did it again today and while Checo's not completely innocent (I don't think Whitmarsh had THIS in mind when he said he should be more aggressive), it was pointless to block a teammate (whom you're holding back), knowing you're risking a collision while also wearing out tires of both drivers.
Honestly, the only guy I liked less when he was at McLaren is Fernando Alonso (I literally waited the whole season for him to be gone).

Congrats to Vettel for a clean race and to Lotus for a great team effort. Sorry to see Sutil's race ruined by Massa.
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#20
Cile Wrote:I'm seriously getting sick of Jenson Button. Hats off for how he raced this dog of a McLaren car this season but what irks me is the fact that, when others overtake him, he seemingly puts up no fight but when it's a team-mate of his, he starts "fighting for his life" while at the same time crying into the radio about how aggressive the other guy is. Did it before with Hamilton and did it again today and while Checo's not completely innocent (I don't think Whitmarsh had THIS in mind when he said he should be more aggressive), it was pointless to block a teammate (whom you're holding back), knowing you're risking a collision while also wearing out tires of both drivers.
Honestly, the only guy I liked less when he was at McLaren is Fernando Alonso (I literally waited the whole season for him to be gone).

Congrats to Vettel for a clean race and to Lotus for a great team effort. Sorry to see Sutil's race ruined by Massa.
Big Grin You can see only McLaren and Mercedes stuff and I'm a Ferrari fan. My point of view is always opposite than your! Big Grin
Sutil was in external side, Massa has porbably lost his race due to 2 bad tires. The team did a huge error saying to Alonso to test the DRS only after a lap and with that pit stop he has lost at least the 4th or 5th pos (probably the 3rd too).
I've seen Button fight hard against Ferrari drivers too many times but not so hard against RBRs. This year he try to preserve the tires and fighting with Perez he had to change it another time. Sometimes I hate team orders but at almost the half of the race, after few laps when a driver was in front of the other and he can't go faster, than the other passed and had the same lap time, the team should say stop pass, try to take Webber, take seconds to the guys back than you and then you can fight again.
Another time I say Perez is a driver I like very much, as Marc Marquez, they can do the show (even if I don't know like the my always favourite rider Valentino Rossi). I'm very sad because he's in McLaren, but when I heard the news last year I hoped he and the team could stop the RBR run to records. With Alonso the Scuderia Ferrari can't win a title as I said in the last 2009 to all my incredulous friend. Cry
I hope Kimi can have a good car for all the season, then there'll be a Ferrari - McLaren fight for the 3rd pos, even if the potential of F2013 is to win both the titles (as for or better than the F2010). Cry
It's sure now I hate Vettel! Too easy today, too easy many other times against ungood drivers and technical problems of his opponents, but he seems changed from 2008, he don't respect Webber, the team and probably many other guys.
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